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	<description>Serial Expat, Futurist, Communication Consultant</description>
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		<title>Comment on My midem 2012 participation &amp; my move to Moscow by Clyde Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.basbasbas.com/blog/2012/02/06/my-midem-2012-participation-my-move-to-moscow/comment-page-1/#comment-86277</link>
		<dc:creator>Clyde Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, Moscow!

Best of luck with your adventures.

Looking forward to watching your story unfold!</description>
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<p>Best of luck with your adventures.</p>
<p>Looking forward to watching your story unfold!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thesis Excerpt: The Price and Value of Music by Bas Grasmayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bas Grasmayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me as a business consultant the law and &quot;how it should be&quot; is really unimportant.
Adjusting to the reality of the playing field is.

Anyway, you&#039;ve raised an interesting concept. I do believe the concept of ownership will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me as a business consultant the law and &#8220;how it should be&#8221; is really unimportant.<br />
Adjusting to the reality of the playing field is.</p>
<p>Anyway, you&#8217;ve raised an interesting concept. I do believe the concept of ownership will change.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thesis Excerpt: The Price and Value of Music by Jeff Shattuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Shattuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bas,

Thanks for your thoughtful response. To me, though, it&#039;s not as simple as accepting that people are going to violate copyright law. You&#039;re right, they are, but to just fold and accept seems premature. Would you say the same for patents? I mean, right now, music is in the forefront of the discussion because copying it is so easy, but other things will soon become easy to copy, too. As this happens, do we we just give up on the whole notion of ownership? I don&#039;t think so. I wish I had a clear, concise, convincing solution to this mess, but I don&#039;t. 

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bas,</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful response. To me, though, it&#8217;s not as simple as accepting that people are going to violate copyright law. You&#8217;re right, they are, but to just fold and accept seems premature. Would you say the same for patents? I mean, right now, music is in the forefront of the discussion because copying it is so easy, but other things will soon become easy to copy, too. As this happens, do we we just give up on the whole notion of ownership? I don&#8217;t think so. I wish I had a clear, concise, convincing solution to this mess, but I don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thesis Excerpt: The Price and Value of Music by Bas Grasmayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bas Grasmayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 06:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,

Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment. While I&#039;m very tempted to go into the ethics and values of copyrights, piracy, etc. I will refrain from it, because in this case (and in the case of my thesis) it&#039;s besides the point.

Unless it&#039;s election time or you have enough money to run a major lobby, you&#039;re not going to be able to influence the reality of copyright enforcement. Therefore in my thesis, I encourage to focus on what you do want, instead of on what you don&#039;t. I start off with a few premises - a couple of realities that come with the digital age. They might not always be here, but they will be here for the next decade at least.

One of these realities are that you have to compete with free. Plain and simple; if you&#039;re popular, people are going to share your music and make it available for free. I don&#039;t care so much about the ethics part, I care much more about what this means for business.

This price versus value section helped build-up this part about the assumptions, premises, realities, etc. The model I developed takes into account all these realities, acknowledges them and builds upon them.

Sometimes I call it a &#039;piracy-neutral&#039; model, meaning that if everyone would download your music for free instead of paying for copies; it wouldn&#039;t matter. Actually, I think it would benefit (when using this ecosystem model), although I do not have the statistics to back that up.

Anyway, the whole ethical discussion about this is very interesting, but for most artists it&#039;s really not efficient to focus on this, when they could put that same energy into developing their work, their products, services, business models, relationship with fans, etc.

If I had to choose a vision, it would probably be Falkvinge&#039;s: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPEO-u_c0t0 (short version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gfh_6sbQI (long version - close to 1 hour)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment. While I&#8217;m very tempted to go into the ethics and values of copyrights, piracy, etc. I will refrain from it, because in this case (and in the case of my thesis) it&#8217;s besides the point.</p>
<p>Unless it&#8217;s election time or you have enough money to run a major lobby, you&#8217;re not going to be able to influence the reality of copyright enforcement. Therefore in my thesis, I encourage to focus on what you do want, instead of on what you don&#8217;t. I start off with a few premises &#8211; a couple of realities that come with the digital age. They might not always be here, but they will be here for the next decade at least.</p>
<p>One of these realities are that you have to compete with free. Plain and simple; if you&#8217;re popular, people are going to share your music and make it available for free. I don&#8217;t care so much about the ethics part, I care much more about what this means for business.</p>
<p>This price versus value section helped build-up this part about the assumptions, premises, realities, etc. The model I developed takes into account all these realities, acknowledges them and builds upon them.</p>
<p>Sometimes I call it a &#8216;piracy-neutral&#8217; model, meaning that if everyone would download your music for free instead of paying for copies; it wouldn&#8217;t matter. Actually, I think it would benefit (when using this ecosystem model), although I do not have the statistics to back that up.</p>
<p>Anyway, the whole ethical discussion about this is very interesting, but for most artists it&#8217;s really not efficient to focus on this, when they could put that same energy into developing their work, their products, services, business models, relationship with fans, etc.</p>
<p>If I had to choose a vision, it would probably be Falkvinge&#8217;s:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPEO-u_c0t0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPEO-u_c0t0</a> (short version)<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gfh_6sbQI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gfh_6sbQI</a> (long version &#8211; close to 1 hour)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thesis Excerpt: The Price and Value of Music by Jeff Shattuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Shattuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you&#039;re arguing that price and value are different and not necessarily co-dependent? I can buy that. But, what all of these discussions about what music should cost miss the point, especially the whole tangible good angle. When you buy music you don&#039;t buy anything more than a right. When you download it for free or share it, you are violating copyright law (unless the copyright owner has granted you permission), and just because music can be copied easily doesn&#039;t mean we should all just give up on copyright law. I mean, you realize that movies, books, microprocessors, software and on and on and on are all protected by copyright law, don&#039;t you? Why should we ignore this and attempt to rationalize and excuse illegal behavior?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you&#8217;re arguing that price and value are different and not necessarily co-dependent? I can buy that. But, what all of these discussions about what music should cost miss the point, especially the whole tangible good angle. When you buy music you don&#8217;t buy anything more than a right. When you download it for free or share it, you are violating copyright law (unless the copyright owner has granted you permission), and just because music can be copied easily doesn&#8217;t mean we should all just give up on copyright law. I mean, you realize that movies, books, microprocessors, software and on and on and on are all protected by copyright law, don&#8217;t you? Why should we ignore this and attempt to rationalize and excuse illegal behavior?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Catching Up: Ecosystem Music Marketing, Internet Filters, The Clouds and DIY Tips &#124; BasBasBas.com</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Thesis Excerpt: Connecting With Fans deadmau5-style (Mini-Case Study) by The Ecosystem Approach: Introducing Non-Linear Music Marketing for the Digital Age &#8249; Independent Artist Awards</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The key is basically authenticity and consistency. Be clear, and when things go wrong; fix it. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Companies, employee blogs and the ecosystem by Bas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks for dropping by, Jeff. Good points there. :)

There are a lot of synonyms, but I use the word ecosystem for a good reason.

Yes, it&#039;s a tribe, movement, community, fanbase... But why I use the word ecosystem, is because that is the only word that conveys the organic nature of what&#039;s going on. What it conveys is that when the ecosystem gets unbalanced, it will figure out a way to ensure its own existence.

An example of this is mentioned in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.basbasbas.com/blog/2010/12/02/thesis-excerpt-how-shpongle-and-twisted-music-are-examples-for-the-music-business-case-study/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shpongle case-study&lt;/a&gt;. The label announced they were in trouble and fans started devising ways in which they could help the label they loved so much. I.e. pre-ordering 2 CD&#039;s, so they could give one as a gift to someone. Replacing that old merchandise sweater, etc. You could literally see the ecosystem striving for continued existence.

I also think that if an artist that is known for being genuine, suddenly makes a very commercial album and starts sending out a lot of marketing messages and sponsored messages, it will breach the trust with the ecosystem... which will then reject part of itself (the artist), break up into smaller groups and (some of those groups will) move on.

I think the increased interconnectedness and possibilities of non-linear communication between community-members has enabled this ecosystem. It was always there, but now its processes run so fast, that its reality has become clearly visible.

My background is in communication management (let&#039;s say PR &amp; marketing), so I&#039;m quite picky with my words... As Mark Twain once said: “The difference between the almost right word and the right word is really a large matter – it’s the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning.”

This is why I use the phrase ecosystem. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks for dropping by, Jeff. Good points there. <img src='http://www.basbasbas.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There are a lot of synonyms, but I use the word ecosystem for a good reason.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s a tribe, movement, community, fanbase&#8230; But why I use the word ecosystem, is because that is the only word that conveys the organic nature of what&#8217;s going on. What it conveys is that when the ecosystem gets unbalanced, it will figure out a way to ensure its own existence.</p>
<p>An example of this is mentioned in the <a href="http://www.basbasbas.com/blog/2010/12/02/thesis-excerpt-how-shpongle-and-twisted-music-are-examples-for-the-music-business-case-study/" rel="nofollow">Shpongle case-study</a>. The label announced they were in trouble and fans started devising ways in which they could help the label they loved so much. I.e. pre-ordering 2 CD&#8217;s, so they could give one as a gift to someone. Replacing that old merchandise sweater, etc. You could literally see the ecosystem striving for continued existence.</p>
<p>I also think that if an artist that is known for being genuine, suddenly makes a very commercial album and starts sending out a lot of marketing messages and sponsored messages, it will breach the trust with the ecosystem&#8230; which will then reject part of itself (the artist), break up into smaller groups and (some of those groups will) move on.</p>
<p>I think the increased interconnectedness and possibilities of non-linear communication between community-members has enabled this ecosystem. It was always there, but now its processes run so fast, that its reality has become clearly visible.</p>
<p>My background is in communication management (let&#8217;s say PR &#038; marketing), so I&#8217;m quite picky with my words&#8230; As Mark Twain once said: “The difference between the almost right word and the right word is really a large matter – it’s the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning.”</p>
<p>This is why I use the phrase ecosystem. <img src='http://www.basbasbas.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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